Now, De Castelbajac views those years from a higher perspective, but without nostalgia, which has no place in his exuberant personality. «I don’t miss anything from the past,» says the designer, «I’ve lived an amazing life; I had the opportunity to work on high-level projects, with Lady Gaga and with the Pope, but this is no longer fashion. Fashion now is a medium—a very interesting medium». When we ask him what has changed in his eyes, De Castelbajac has no doubts: «We thought about transgressing, inventing, changing the rules, transforming ideas of chic prêt-à-porter and haute couture. There was a unique relationship between creatives and industry that I experienced and would love to create an exhibition on to showcase everything I did with Italian companies because while I was working for Iceberg, I was also working for Tecnica, Starpoint, and Ellesse—all emerging brands». Browsing the pages of the book Iceberg dedicated to the designer’s extensive tenure, this energy is evident: intarsia sweaters blending Snoopy’s iconography with lines from Hamlet, campaigns featuring the most intriguing faces of pop culture, connections with the hip-hop world, and collaborations with legendary photographers like David LaChapelle and Glenn Luchford. Turning to today’s world, however, De Castelbajac admits that «the reality of productivity and marketing is different now. I believe marketing is dead. It's no longer the time of the “five Ps”: product, price, positioning, promotion, and people. Now it’s the time of the “five Es”: emotion, experience, ecology, e-commerce, and entertainment. These “five Es” have changed everything. Today, it’s no longer about selling: people must be given an experience, an emotion».